Need help pricing an antique bottle

I have a bottle that is called a Codd Marble Stopper Bottle.It is described with the following:

Exact words on Bottle: Licensed Victuallers Cirencester 1920 Color: clear with green tint Height: 7 1/2 inches

Style of bottle Top: smooth lip Closure: not sure how to describe it Style of Base: probably described as a smooth base Condition: good condition

If anyone could please e-mail me with a possible value I would greatly appreciate it.

Kasey Matthews

Kasey,

I can't answer your question but there are two resources that might be able to help. Try the rec.antiques.bottles newsgroup.

Another source that may be able help you is http://www.antiquebottles.com/questions.html. This site is loaded with bottle resources.

Good luck. Let us know what you find out.

Marianne

'An X is an unknown quantity and a spert is a drip under pressure.'

however in the UK this would be 2-4 ukp $6 max although this is a very late example.

The expression 'Coddswallop' comes from these Codd patent bottles. You had to hit, or 'wallop' the marble stopper to open the bottle to get at the foul fizzy drink inside..the 'load of old Coddswallop!'

Jon

PS All my garden paths are lined with inverted Codds bottles !!

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Absolutely not. I have even got a couple of the devices that you 'wallop' the Codd's bottle marble with....I'll try and scan one. The word cod(d)swallop really derived from this and became synonymous with cheap drink and then any old rubbish.

Jon

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If in very good condition, $10 max. I bought about a dozen a year or so ago for £5. In that group, 2 were in VGC, the rest were lightly scratched, but whenever I get my bottle polisher built...

Oh - FWIW, I've seen 2 in the past week that I'm 90% sure were fake. They were selling for £6 & £7 at a markup antique dealer's shop.

Also, many companies used that bottle style - some for shorter times than others. The 2 good bottles from that set were from my current employer, (a brewer) and I've had offers as high as £20 each from various employees. Seems that they (the brewer) tinkered in the carbonated water & other fizzy-drinks markets round the turn of the century. If you can learn a bit about 'Licensed Victuallers Cirencester', you may find it worth a bit more to the right people.

The scans would be interesting, Jon, a wallop banger, mind boggling

I have one reference for 'codswallop' suggesting an origin date of 1963 (??) .... in a 'New English Dictionary' first edition 1932 'codswallop' is not listed, neither is 'cod' (one of the alternate 'cod' the current (modern) abbreviation for 'codswallop' meaning nonsense. I don't have another dictionary between the years 1932 and 1969, the word is included in the 1969 edition, and of course in the current 1990s (mid) version.

Isn't this a bit like 'The Dog's Bollocks?' which I believe is another load of old codswallop, can't really say tho' as 'The Dog's Bollocks' is not my normal tipple, more the current drink of the younger set.

Here's a variant on Jon's etymology:

Codswallop. In the 1870's Hiram Codd patented a particular shape of bottle suitable for containing fizzy lemonade(qv). Wallop is slang for beer; hence British beer-drinkers came to call very weak beer 'Codd's Wallop'. It is used nowadays to describe anything without real substance.

Bill Burns Long Island NY USA