Please help identify porcelain figure mark

Can anyone please help identify the manufacturer of the attached mark. It is on the base of a pair of figures dancing the minuete. I was told by a dealer to look at Frankenthal but can find nothing.

Please help Roy

Hello Roybrod, welcome to the forum If I may be impertinent may I please ask you to take a close-up photo of the maker's mark because it can be hardly seen on this photo

Frankenthal (both the old factory as well as the newer Wessel factory) did not use such a mark. From what I can see I would say it's a mark version used by "Ackermann & Fritze" but I'd also need a closer shot to verify.

=^..^= Chris

Hi Guys

Sorry this the best pic I am able to get, I really hope it helps. If not tell me and I will get proffesional help.

Hope you can still help me

Kind regards

R Roy Brodrick

I dont think the pic attached to the last mail, I'm trying again

regards

Roy Brodrick

I think that I have got it this time

Regards Roy

Thanks Roy, that's better.

Confusing stuff follows, hope I can get it across: Most people would claim the manufacturer was the company of "Ernst Bohne & Soehne" (Ernst Bohne & Sons) from the town of Rudolstadt (today Rudolstadt-Volkstedt) in Thuringia; they sold out to the Heubach brothers in 1919.

Just for the books: many smaller (non-German) reference books and many websites don't show this mark under that company header at all, but in fact the mark was registered by Bohne at the R.W.Z.R. [abbr. for "Reichswarenzeichenregister", the central (trade)mark registration office] on February 15th 1909 under file number #114 951. The Roentgen book of marks (2007 edition) for example does not show all this, the 1992 edition of Danckert at least drops a few hints.

Anyway, most sources say that the mark was used until 1937; the period between 1919 and 1937 of course saw the rights used by the Bohne successor at that time, the Heubach brothers.

After the takeover through Albert Stahl & Co in 1937 the whole stuff went into hibernation until after the war. And then (you probably guessed it) the new owner started re-using old molds and marks.

So in *many* cases the mark that originally belonged to Ernst Bohne was actually re-used on newer Albert Stahl items. Finding out which period your item comes from would require a hands-on check by somebody who has experience in dating items.

If you yourself have a little experience, you can check yourself: when the gilding is still near perfect and the glaze only has minimal amounts of polishing-scratches (some call it scuffing) from cleaning it's near 99% sure to be the post-1950 version.

Oh and if somebody comes up with some codswallop regarding country-of-origin marks expecially after the war and such ... just ignore it. I could also add a rundown here but that is really a different (and lengthy) matter

WOW!

Now that is called service, although the results are a little dissapointing to me as the figurine is perportedly from the 'Koetse collection' This is a South African collection, which the matriach of the family painted oils of all the main items and published a book of them. The figures were supposedly purchased from Messrs. Christie, Manson and Woods, by Cecil John Rhodes for the princely sum of BP215 (date of purchase unknown as the accompanying news cutting only says it was a Wednesday afternoon). I have the original oil painting, which was framed in Leeuwarden, Holland, and is dated 1886.(On closer inspection maybe 1986)

The gilding is in excellent condition though somewhat dull, wear to the exposed parts of the base is quite substancial, though I can see no scratching in the glaze of the body.Small repairs to hands have been made.

Thank you so much for your help, and even if is worth little, It's still great to look at.

Thanks again, and Kindest Regards

Roy

Hi again Chris

I never sent you a pic of the figure so here it is.

Kindest Regards

Roy